Street----- Post-retcon isn’t anywhere near as powerful as Classic (Pre), but he’s still pretty powerful. The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. PR-Beyonder gets slapped like a red-headed stepchild, and people still keep trying to throw him in. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. Wiki Points. 3 years ago. Wiki Points. Beyonder wins with high difficulty . He can´t beat Lucifer. The same way how Marvel was back then a multiverse. Follow 12333. People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. 0. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. #15 Azronger. And form. Yes, pre-retcon MM was strong, but he needed so much support to get anything done. 5. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. Dlaek66669; Thread;Business, Economics, and Finance. And yeah he stomps. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. 2. MayGodSmiteThee • 2 yr. This will be Pre-Retcon beyonder against John egbert with his Retcon powers Speed is equalized (Not that it matters cause both these boys are in the Immesruables) The Father : The So:. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Beyonder 39%. 1. 43. 0. Who can beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7. ago No. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. TOAAPRESENCE1. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Tier Sıralamasını benden iyi biliyorsan Elder Scrolls taki Dragonborn, Kratos ve Dante gibi karakterlerin tüm Mcu. This thread is archived. Beyonder stomps Whole Touhou fodder verse with a thought,while beyonder has feats and proof of being 1-A(Outversal) not being limited to infinitely high geometric dimensions to the verse itself, there is touhou's verse in which the dimensions have been debunked and do not qualify as superior and the ability of yukari only works on beings of a level below her and. Manhattan is a low-medium tier matter manipulator. Beyonder is a top tier reality warper there is no spoon there is no trigger there is no SOK. Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power? Scan in question. What teams could maybe stand a chance against pre-retcon Beyonder? Total defeat optional (if possible). People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War but you can apply that to any evil character with vagueish powers, like Cyttorak or whatever. Speed. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Comparing Multi-Eternity to baseline High 1-B, like the Glory is, is like comparing 10-B to High 3-A, or Low 2-C to 2-A. Origin: Marvel. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. 1 Answer. True form DS power is unknown. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Yes. Follow 8344. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Wiki Points. Bill also got more experience than Beyonder since Bill is over 1 trillion-year-old. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Text under CC-BY-SA licenseWe can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. #28 ovy7. 4,925 4,750. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. Also, it's important to know Molecule Man has also so been retconned, so you should put Pre-Retcon Molecule Man. During the time Pre-Retcon Beyonder was made, the writtes at the time stated that the beyonder was the manifestation and. Lucifer stomps. 0. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had over the comics. Beyonder and its not even close. Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. First Tier Mages vs Molecule Ma Round 1: The Mages are sane and aren't Marauders. so i think the only characters. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A(more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B(same as The Beyonder). The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. According to that one guy Anos could do it,. 7 K. Using these lines of evidence, pre-retcon beyonder clearly wields greater control over reality than OT god. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they transformed Owen Reece into the Molecule Man. Pre Retcon Beyonder. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. -. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. And this character is an entire cardinal infinite tier below. The power possessed by the Beyonders seems to dwarf all other beings in existence, with the exception of the One-Above-All, as the Beyonders were able to defeat and subsequently destroy every incarnation of every cosmic being that ruled over existence within a matter of months. Created by. Member. So BeyonderGod Beyonder > Cynical DemonbaneSearch titles only By: Search Advanced search…Beyonder by feats however after thinking about it i think EGD should win. Posts. He could possibly neutralise Doc and Sun with science alone but the others are true top-end with actual god tier powers. The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence. Takes place in an abandoned multiverse. There's a reason why the word "retcon" is used; pre-retcon Beyonder doesn't exist anymore. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. 3 years ago. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Edit: Darkest Knight and anti-crisis wonder woman probably also beat the beyonder, as they are empowered by the infinite crisis or anti-crisis energy (the fundamental good/bad energies of the universe, as provided by the presence. Tbh fights at this level have unknown victories and are really just up to people's opinions at that point. The Beyonder is a fictional character appearing in comicbooks published by Marvel Comics. Sorted by: 9. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. this is the Speed Tier List and how to put down the Speed on a Character Profile will be determined by these Reaction / Reflexes - the ability to distinguish between the movement of objects at a certain speed with a small distance (melee, less than 2 meters), with the possibility of taking any whatsoever countermeasures at this time, such as avoidance or. Tier 0/0 > Tier A. The Voice - This is the most "active" version of God, When The Voice uttered the first word, it created The Word. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 0. 1 of 2 Go to page. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. Example: If a character is in the upper range of a tier such as Solar System level, said character will be listed as "Solar System level+", not "High Solar System level". both use 1B rating Both team have 10 Years of prep bloodlusted. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. Beyonder 73%. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. Alovenus is the strongest in fiction since Alovenus>Omnipotent beings. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. 5: (Pre-Retcon Only) Molecule Man (Owen Reece) Tier 2: The Living Tribunal; Tier 2. -Everything in bleach. in classic era: Jim. The realm is known as the Engine Room, The Wild Spaces Beyond Reality, Heaven, The Mystery, The. Introduction on The Beyonder: OHOTMU v2 #16: The Beyonder was an extra-dimensional entity which was the sum of everything in the universe known as the Beyond-realm, and became aware of our universe/multiverse due to Owen's. . 7. #1 quandaledingle. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. Divyansh13. Round 2: Franklin wins. All of Thanos’ feats are fodder tier in comparison to him. VERDICT: For those unaware beyonder is not just 1-A: He's HIGH 1-A, FAR greater than infinity itself. Yeah,it’s been retconned . Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). R2: God stomps. 8 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. Bill also got more experience than Beyonder since Bill is over 1 trillion-year-old. London, UK. g. The Beyonder himself has been described as infinite-dimensional in a far more reliable and explicit narration, and been referred to as only possessing power. Pre-Retcon. Doom did. Omnipotent, Beyonder organized an event called Secret Wars, in which he kidnapped the most important superheroes and supervillains in the Marvel universe, for a confrontation between them on a distant planet. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Tier Limit-Outerversal. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. Both are vastly above. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. My only question is: Is that Pre-Retcon. -All the fundamental force of the multiverse (including Oblivion, Living Tribunal, Death, Eternity) kneeling in font of Stranger when he sought to use the power of the Phoenix Force to recreate 'all that is' and make himself 'all powerful'. It's Shown Here ''Upon reaching the House, he hid himself until the Defenders finished their business. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. ago. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. ago. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Beyonder(Pre-Retcon) Tier 1. (They Became the HOI, basically writer tier, or paper tier). A Time Lords) from the. 0. Summary. Master-Tee • 2 yr. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. -5. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. So it turns out that the Beyonder from Secret Wars,Secret Wars 2 is returning in the current Defenders run: Cannot connect to Twitter. Forum Posts. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Nothing more. Nope. New comments cannot be posted. Powers are basically the same thing. Beyonder Boy ("Incomplete Cosmic Cube"): Single Mother of Three (Perpetua): Noneless21 He/Him 7,323 4,911. M. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. The Scarlet King is a single universe outer God. -Everything in bleach. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. "But only in their dreams can men be truly free. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. If someone can actually name a more. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Can he beat them?Magi and Saint seiya can take down the post retcon versions but not pre retcon. Apr 2014. Attack Potency= Atleast Universal+ (killed countless cosmic beings from countless realities) | Atleast Hyperversal (3 of them was enough to kill The Living Tribunal and their battle with him raged across all realities at the same time) | High Hyperversal (The Beyonder from the secret wars (that would mean that the version of. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. #8 Edited By Sungsam. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 664*10^25. The Beyonder should easily be Tier 0 and here's why:-. Possibly the most powerful character in creation. That’s how many drops of water there are in the ocean and marvel was only 1 drop compared to the beyonders power. Jul 16, 2022 #2 Pre-retcon Beyonder: Low 1-A cap Perpetua: 1-A cap yeah this is a stomp in Perpetua's favor . (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. 11,582. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. The same way AAO is the Supreme Being of the Marvel Multiverse. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. Omnipotent, Beyonder organized an event called Secret Wars, in which he kidnapped the most important superheroes and supervillains in the Marvel universe, for a confrontation between them on a distant planet. Tier: At least Low 2-C, likely 2-A | At least Low 1-C, likely higher | 1-A Name: Alien X Origin: Ben 10 Gender: Male Age: Inapplicable (Likely billions of years old. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The Source - Primal Monitor, The universal spirit venerated by the New Gods, which resides beyond the Source Wall. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. 5)^2 + DUR^1. TonyStark6999. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. WF Mr. This proves by showing you that he read the writer's mind and was able to talk to him and not only that, shred the comic-book and escaping to reality in 'Defenders: Beyond (2022-23)'Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Creaturemaster971. 1431. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. Well, they are treated as the same character, the Beyonder who showed up post-retcon is, canonically, the same Beyonder who showed up pre-Retcon. Tier= Universal+ | Creation. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. He later. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. The Beyonder, and Molecule man, are each. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. The Hand - Marked the beginning of creation. 1. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. That being said, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the HIGHEST tier character Marvel ever had. 11,059. Open comment sort options Best; Top; New. Reply Slaine_Troyard •. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. 66. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. A desperate Molecule Man begins crying about the. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Older than the. Powers and Stats. The brothers are strongest than the living tribunal and the spectre. 0. • Pre-Retcon Beyonder • Pre-Retcon Molecule Man-----Multiversal • The Living Tribunal • Gabriel • Beyonder • Molecule Man. @rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. Living Tribunal has been beaten by several characters that are weaker than. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. #15 Azronger. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. Similarly, two characters in the same tier need not necessarily be equivalent in terms of power. the_doctor. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. Tier: Varies, At least 2-A | At least 1-B, Likely Higher | Likely 1-A, Far Higher | High 1-A. Forum Posts. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Follow 1963. She isn't even the strongest female magic user, far from it actually. By their logic, Twilight Sparkle solos about 90% of Marvel and DC. He may have to resort to starving. Even if it wasn't I'm pretty sure this wasn't added due to being a stomp. 1. Origin: Marvel Comics. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. 12984. #8. ( INT^1. Phoenix isn't above Pre-Retcon Beyonder, Beyonder was merely overwhelmed by the knowledge that each individual has their own life and began to understand why he should care. ) Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. Keenko. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. Thought Robot without any effort. Nov 5, 2017. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. He would also be the main villain in. It should however be noted that sometimes having overall destructive capacity is not enough to defeat others that have "broken" or "hax" abilities. Basically, either or both can be considered to be the presence, in either it's evil or good forms. as omnipotent deities in their respective realities, the OAA Dominates the Hoi Realm. Nice. Doom absorbed the power of Galactus to unlock more of MM's power and MM eventually needed everyone's help (especially Silver Surfer) to defeat the Beyonder. All reality was a dream created by Beyonder. MJJ's powers keep increasing exponentialy. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Bloodlust on. it would be mostly stalemate. Galactus (when reasonably fed) and the strongest Celestials. K. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. 2. SWI is still the best selling series. LT got rekt by beyonder Reply Ozymandias935 • Additional comment actions. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. And a similar amount more powerful than everything in the MU combined. This was the same time the first Secret Wars wherein Beyonder first. You know that. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. The Presence vs. #. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel : 2, 2016. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. So I might be missing something. akuto fictionally transcends an uncountably infinite layered hierarchy of characters who are above the concepts of space & time and/or platonic forms in nature which also contains all possibilities & impossibilities, & each tier in the hierarchy fictionally transcends the one below it, making even the lowest characters in the hierarchy very high into high. 81. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left him drained . Only if the Beyonder is in his realm, but that becomes a major stomp based on whats said here. Pennywise beyond infinite-D has no basis. Superhuman. Tier: 1-B | 1-A. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. #36. Classification: Cosmic Entity. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. What Makes marvel only H1B while DC is Layers into Tier 0? Does DC truly scale higher than Marvel, is it the other way around or are they practically equal?. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Spectre. Follow 1128. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. You need to be logged in to post comments. Lucifer Morningstar (DC) Respect Lucifer Morningstar! (DC/Vertigo) I am a bot | About | Code | Opt-out | Missing or wrong characters? Reply explaining the issue. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. 5 years ago. Nov 25, 2017. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP). Immersion: Beyonder (Pre/Post-Retcon), GoS Loki, HOI Vision, The One Above All and Multi Eternity via Eternity Mask, Deadpool with the Continuity Gem and She-Hulk (Classics); formerly Plot Resistance: The Beyonders (Ivory King), Beyonder (Post-Retcon); scaling from the other beyonders and GoS Loki Toon Force: She-Hulk. Tier: Stellar | Endless | Realium | Transcendent: Keys: Base Galactus power absorbed | Infamous Iron-Man | Dual Infinity Gauntlet God Emperor Doom | Pre-Retcon Beyonder absorbed: Extra: Simple words can't describe the glory of Dr Doom, as Galactus, he deserve more than 5 stars 😤 Beyonder and Lucifer gets blinked by Shinra with his narrative manipulation. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. That being said, I’m going to give this one to the pre-retcon Beyonder. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. He first appeared in the 1984 limited series "Secret Wars" and was created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. . Not even remotely close. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. And those mirrors were so fucking weak, that a bunch of low tier demons were already destroying them. here is a fight that involves. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. Skyfather.